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[American logoZ]

Printwear Magazine says Cherokee Laser is laying down water based white discharge and then placing a full color heat transfer over the white background.  I tried unsuccessfully to access videos.  Thoughts?  Anyone tried this or anything similar?

[American logoZ]

I am looking at a hard copy of the magazine so I have no link ... sry.  But maybe this will help:  it is the Feb issue, page 94, paragraph under "new products" illustrated by a photo of brightly colored birds, located in the top left corner.  It claims no need for dtg or opaque paper.   

[KM Toydarian]

Best line... " I also invented the ultra light aircraft, so, anyway...".  I believe him, it was just very random.

Cool technique though to discharge under the print.

Yesterday I experimented with a blue 50/50 shirt by spraying it with bleach to fade it in a distressed look, then sublimated a design on it. (Art work by James Stowe.)  My goal was to be able to sublimate onto a darker color 50/50 shirt.  I knew it would have a vintage look, but that's okay.
Gives me the idea to try to screen print the area with the discharge (bleach or otherwise) to get a more specific print area.

Thanks for sharing this video

[MonkeyMeMe]

Nice job km

[cherokeelaser]

Good job guys, you found my video and published it here. I appreciate the comments.  I did make a boo-boo, my BAD, when I remarked about opaque paper being thick and people not liking it. I should have said "Some opaque paper is too thick". The truth is that there is a couple of companies out there that there opaque paper is just great, really great. That's the trouble with live video, once you say something it is gone and you live with it. I do however, retract my statement about opaque paper being too thick. My main point with the white discharge ink process is that here is another example of new ideas and technology advancing every day. For a screen printer that likes to screen print only maybe he will accept the idea of printing just one screen and using the printer buddy ink for his colors thus saving additional screens for the color.  Also, let me say this, while there are inks out there that will print on cotton the PRINTER BUDDY INK #369 system is for cottons (we have sublimation also) and no other company has the #369 ink. I have been in the ink and toner business for 21 years and the #369 is with the PRINTER BUDDY ciss that we have had on the market now for over 7 years.  #369 out performs all the other inks, we have tested them all for color, feel and wash out, #369 is much lower cost than any other ink by far. We have tested and used our inks in every way possible, you cannot find a better ink system.  Companies like to sell cartridges that they can make money on. Continuous Ink Supply Systems are great IF they work without failing. The PRINTER BUDDY HOLDS MORE, IT WORKS WITHOUT FAIL AND IT COSTS MUCH LESS. We have sold these systems nation wide including Hawaii and have references of our customers claiming the Printer Buddy to be the best. All you need to do now is watch our videos on the our website and give us a call with any questions. "ABSOLUTE FIRST QUALITY" has always been our motto and we stand behind our products 100%.

[MonkeyMeMe]

Great job charlie,, thanks for sharing,, with us your technique
Sandy jo
MMM

[heatpressvinyl]

jeeze Cherokelaser,, that sounded like a sales copy more than anything and not a very good one at that. Maybe you could share on where to get that paper or at least a model number and manufacturer name and then we could have something to talk about.

[cherokeelaser]

WHAT DID YOU WANT?....GOOD PAPER FOR HEAT TRANSFER IS "PAROPY" either for white or dark.  Whatever paper you choose you should never leave a paper laying there without color on it. So, for instance if you print a red heart cut the heart out with a cutter machine or use a pair of pinking shears or be extra careful and use just a pair of scissors. But, color should be in the graphic. Another example is that a graphic should have a edge around it (outline) with color inside it, even if you have say a blue shirt then put some color inside it even if it's a darker blue. You can print a darker color on a light color say light blue with dark blue lettering but a white shirt should always have some kind of outline and the color should come to the outline so the paper doesn't show.  Depending on where you live PAROPY paper is available at WELLINGTON HOUSE IN PORTLAND, OREGON. And yes, this forum allows us mfgrs. to spin our product.  I think I am doing everyone a favor to tell them about my products since I am the only one with my type of ink and they should know where to get it. My customers who are using my ink know this already. Here is another plus about the #369 ink system, it prints on vinyl for outside application. It also prints on wood, metals and tiles and doesn't wash off. No, it is NOT sublimation it is CHEROKEE LASER #369 HEAT TRANSFER INK USING THE PRINTER  BUDDY. 971-998-6336 or watch my videos at www.cherokeelaser.com. I will provide a sample but you will have to call me. I like this forum, I have already sold a couple of systems from it. Heat transfer is gaining ground with new technology and new inks, we are glad to be in the business. Anything I can help you with I will do it just let me know. Oh, by the way Neenah paper is good too.

[uncle remus]

Charlie, did i read your last post correct that your #369 ink is also for printing on vinyl that will be used outdoors? Is this ink UV protected? How long will it last outside with & without lamination. 

[cherokeelaser]

I cannot conduct business in the forum.  You would have to have an email for me to answer you and your email says caution.

[uncle remus]

with all due respect i did not ask you to conduct business on here. I just asked a simple question or several questions to be exact...

My email says caution?? please explain

[cherokeelaser]

I cannot answer questions on the forum about my product, it is not allowed.
go to the forum and your post as if you would want to email yourself, click on the world icon, see what it says.

I am very sorry, but I have been warned not to conduct business.   If I want to stay on the forum I must send emails only and I do want to stay on the forum and help people as much as I can. If I see a question such as yours I will email that person but your email says "caution", I think it is something like it is being worked on.

[gprockhill]

Charlie - there is a vast amount of room between helping with a specific issue which may spark discussion about a specific product and total self promotion/absorption. I am sure you can find that happy medium. I am not sure why you are swinging all the way to another extreme but I assure you there are a lot of people here who have business offerings and who are able to find the middle road.

[cherokeelaser]

I have no argument with anyone. I do what I think is best. I run my company with what I see. I don't know who other people are in this forum but I do respect the owner of this forums wishes if I intend on doing things here that would benefit my business. I want to help people find a way to do heat transfer better. I will continue now with that endeavor by responding only by email.

[cherokeelaser]

Perhaps I can reply with new info for everyone.  For years there was nothing but sublimation for garments. There has been interest for pigment inks bought from the printer manufacture. Well, although pigment ink works on fabric it is very, very expensive if purchased from the manufacturer. There are aftermarket pigment inks that cost less and they are o.k. for garments. HOWEVER, there is a NEW INK THAT IS NOT SUBLIMATION NOR PIGMENT INK! THIS NEW INK OUT PERFORMS PIGMENT INK. It can be used on cottons, polyester, wood, tile, metals and vinyl and is washable. It has much better feel and it prints with amazing detail and color. I think the garment printers should know about this new ink. Only one company has this ink and it is lower in cost than any other ink except dye (which we do not use anyway). The company that has it has put it into a system that holds more ink than any other CISS AND THIS SYSTEM IS A PROVEN SYSTEM TO WORK WITHOUT FAIL.
There now: I have told the forum about a new technology in ink for the benefit of all readers in this forum. That is all I have done, it is NEW NEWS IN TECHNOLOGY THAT THE FORUM OF GARMENT PRINTERS SHOULD KNOW ABOUT. So, when we say that there are two types of ink SUBLIMATION AND PIGMENT that statement is now longer true. I hope the readers of this forum appreciate this fantastic new news.

[gprockhill]

I find that information interesting and helpful and worth looking into more. Thanks for that.

[badablue]

I cannot answer questions on the forum about my product, it is not allowed.
go to the forum and your post as if you would want to email yourself, click on the world icon, see what it says.

I am very sorry, but I have been warned not to conduct business.   If I want to stay on the forum I must send emails only and I do want to stay on the forum and help people as much as I can. If I see a question such as yours I will email that person but your email says "caution", I think it is something like it is being worked on.

UGH, you were asked a question and that is not conducting business that is answering a question. That is allowed.

[gprockhill]

Charlie: What makes the inks you describe different from pigment and high/temp aka sublimation inks? What exactly is the difference? Is it the ink itself? Is it the delivery or method of application? Can this ink be typically used both on fabric and on hard material? Can it be used via a Epson WF 1100?  You say " new technology"  but you do not say - what that technology is that makes the difference. In my research also as I roll into new methods of delivering a final product I also want to know - cost of ownership - in real dollars. What can I produce with this 'new technology' , how fast can I make it, and how much will it cost me to make it on going.

[cherokeelaser]

I guess I can tell you about the #369 ink now because you ask me to tell you about it. Good, this I will do.  Yes, it is new technology in that it is a new ink I have made.  It is my company formula and it is called #369, it has never been on the market before me, I am in the Ink and Toner making business for 21 years. Since I have had this ink I have been busy having fun making garments also, my main business is making the ink and toners I sell, but I go to car shows, air shows and town festivals all around Oregon and Washington with a booth doing this mainly to keep busy with the #369 ink using that platform for testing and finding new ways to do things. I have put it into a CISS system that makes it affordable with the system that holds more ink than any other at 1026ml, more affordable than any other ink to print on cottons, some polys (when I say some polys I mean be careful to pull the hot peel off NOT with the stretch), wood, stainless steel, aluminum, masonite and vinyl. I have it for the Epson 1400, the cartridges that fit the 1400 are the ones I like to use because the CISS system works well on it, pictures and videos of it working away are on my web site. Yes, I have it for any other Epson printer in cartridge form but I only sell refillable cartridges that come with extra ink that matches the quantity the same as the Printer Buddy, so yes I do have it for the 1100 but only in cartridge form with extra ink, I do not sell individual cartridges with ink without the extra ink. I am sending Lou some small samples of transfers to show him the detail and print of the #369 ink. I will mail it off to him today. #369 catches the smallest print in fine detail better than any other ink on the market. My customers are amazed with it. The other day when I was at the wholesale shirt company here the owner of the biggest screen company in Portland saw my shirt and said "you must have used a direct to garment machine for that", so I told him about the #369, he and his foreman are coming out to my shop this week, he thought it was amazing and it is. Have I answered your questions? Please reply.

[uncle remus]

Charlie is this ink UV protected? How long will it last on vinyl exposed to the elements both laminated & non-laminated? thanks